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Gagosian Quarterly

February 19, 2015

In Conversation

John Currin

The artist speaks with Derek Blasberg on Los Angeles, Kippenberger, and his newest body of work.

John Currin, Chateau Meyney, 2013, oil on canvas, 42 × 34 inches (106.7 × 86.4 cm)

John Currin, Chateau Meyney, 2013, oil on canvas, 42 × 34 inches (106.7 × 86.4 cm)

Derek Blasberg

Derek Blasberg is a writer, editor, and New York Times best-selling author. In addition to being the executive editor of Gagosian Quarterly, he is the head of fashion and beauty for YouTube. He has been with Gagosian since 2014.

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Derek BlasbergYou just opened an exhibition of new paintings in Beverly Hills, which I think is an interesting setting because, in addition to the presence of the film industry, there is a pinup culture in LA, which seems to have had an influence on your work.

John CurrinYes, movie imagery has had a pervasive visual influence on my work. There is a painting of a reclining nude in the show, which of course is a traditional subject for figurative painting, but we nicknamed this work “Billboard,” because the figure seems to command the presence of demanding a billboard all to herself. What is the name of that woman in LA who used to buy herself billboards to get work as an actress?

DBAngelyne! She’s a legend in LA, and she still drives around in a hot pink Corvette.

JCWell, I must have seen one of her billboards once when I was a kid and it stuck with me. The dimensions of my painting relate proportionally to the billboard format and there is subdued color, which gives the work a classical feel, but I then mixed in lace collars, garter belts, and sort of cheap-o touches within it, to push it towards something more tawdry. As it emerged, the painting took a turn away from pinks and toward grays, blacks, browns, and reds. I consciously thought about LA with that piece. The thing with LA is that it makes me think there’s no reason not to make pretty paintings. But the older I get, the more I realize that when you consciously decide to make a pretty painting, that is when you lose a bit of control. If you try to moderate the emotional persona in a portrait, you actually lose control of it. In a way, that’s like LA too.

DBLet’s talk about your process. How does a work take shape? Do you picture a figure or a face or a composition?

JCThere isn’t a traditional formula. A lot of times something good happens that makes me realize other things should have happened first. Almost like I built the top floor before the foundation. I have a few formulas that work consistently for me. For example, if I want to make flesh, I have a cold version and a warm version that I know how to make.

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John Currin, Maenads, 2015, oil on canvas, 48 × 36 inches (121.9 × 91.4 cm)

DBAre you inspired by traditional drawing? What role does it play in your process?

JCTo be honest, I’ve never much liked to draw. Or at least I don’t think I draw in a particularly fluid way. And perhaps it is simply that I would always just prefer to paint. Of course drawing is a very necessary element in a good painting, often it’s even a blueprint for what you’re going to do. But I’ve always been more interested in paint.

DBBut even in your personal history, it took you some time to be comfortable as a figurative painter, to accept yourself as that. In fact, at the lecture you gave at the Getty Center last year, you made a funny joke about how faking Francis Bacon paintings got you into art school.

JCHa! Actually, my progression was fake Bacon, fake Salle, fake de Kooning, fake Kippenberger, and finally fake Schnabel. Then I was out of school and I had to think of something else.

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John Currin, Lemons and Lace, 2015, oil on canvas, 36 × 68 inches (91.4 × 172.7 cm)

DBWas that because figurative painting wasn’t considered cool?

JCPartly. But also, like anyone else, I was young. I looked up to the glamour of the New York school, and all the people that I ripped off. I can remember seeing a Kippenberger show pretty early on in the ’80s, which was amazing. And I thought, “I want to do stuff like that.” Only later did I have to admit it’s not really in me to do that. When you’re twenty, though, you’re a chameleon and you’re still figuring out what you want to do. Even today, if you wanted to be a young figurative painter you may be discouraged because there’s some other new movement that seems more compelling.

DBYour influences and sources can be quite varied: Sears catalogs, pinups, pornography, Norman Rockwell paintings, covers of old fashion magazines. Somehow, it all seems very American too.

 JCThere’s not really much of a critique of American culture in my work. At least not in a systematic way.

Artwork © John Currin

The cover of the Spring 2020 edition of the Gagosian Quarterly magazine. A Cindy Sherman photograph of herself dressed as a clown against a rainbow background.

Now available
Gagosian Quarterly Spring 2020

The Spring 2020 issue of Gagosian Quarterly is now available, featuring Cindy Sherman’s Untitled #412 (2003) on its cover.

John Currin, The Shaving Man, 1993.

Mansplaining: Figuring Masculinity in the Age of #MeToo

In light of recent developments around the definition of masculinity in American culture, Alison M. Gingeras, the curator of John Currin: My Life as a Man at Dallas Contemporary looks closely at the artist’s depictions of male subjects.

The cover of the Fall 2019 Gagosian Quarterly magazine. Artwork by Nathaniel Mary Quinn

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Gagosian Quarterly Fall 2019

The Fall 2019 issue of Gagosian Quarterly is now available, featuring a detail from Sinking (2019) by Nathaniel Mary Quinn on its cover.

Drawing is a First Date

Drawing is a First Date

John Currin speaks with Brett Littman about drawing.

John Currin: On Drawing

John Currin: On Drawing

John Currin on the relationship between his drawing and painting practices.

Photo: Moneta Sleet, Jr., 1965. Johnson Publishing Company Archive. Courtesy Ford Foundation, J. Paul Getty Trust, John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, Andrew W. Mellon Foundation, and Smithsonian Institution.

Theaster Gates: Black Image Corporation

As a prelude to his first-ever solo exhibition in New York, Theaster Gates discusses his prescient work with the photographic archive of Chicago’s Johnson Publishing Company and his formation of Black Image Corporation as a conceptual project. In conversation with Louise Neri, he expands on his strategies as artist and social innovator in his quest to redeem and renew the sacred power of Black images and Black space. 

Henri Matisse, The Music Lesson, 1917, oil on canvas, domestic interior scene of people in the livingroom at the piano, reading chair, and window

Lockdown: Henri Matisse’s Domestic Interiors

John Elderfield reexamines Matisse’s Piano Lesson (1916) and Music Lesson (1917), considering the works’ depictions of domestic space during the tumult of World War I.

Andy Warhol catalogue. Philadelphia: Institute of Contemporary Art, 1965.

Book Corner
On Collecting with Norman Diekman

Rare-book expert Douglas Flamm speaks with designer Norman Diekman about his unique collection of books on art and architecture. Diekman describes his first plunge into book collecting, the history behind it, and the way his passion for collecting grew.

Andy Warhol cover design for the magazine Aspen 1, no. 3.

Artists’ Magazines

Gwen Allen recounts her discovery of cutting-edge artists’ magazines from the 1960s and 1970s and explores the roots and implications of these singular publications.

Left: Gabriella Calandro; right: Kathleen Flynn.

Emergency Arts Funding: Grants for United States Artists and Arts Workers

Gabriella Calandro, director of grants and curatorial affairs at the New York Foundation for the Arts, and Kathleen Flynn, deputy director of the Foundation for Contemporary Arts, speak with Gagosian director Kara Vander Weg about relief funding administered by their organizations for artists and arts workers in the United States during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Black-and-white photograph of Alexander Calder and Margaret French dancing on a cobblestone street while Louisa Calder plays the accordion in front of a large window outside of James Thrall Soby’s house, Farmington, Connecticut, 1936

An Alphabetical Guide to Calder and Dance

Jed Perl takes a look at Alexander Calder’s lifelong fascination with dance and its relationship to his reimagining of sculpture.

Damien Hirst, Happiness, 1993–94, oil on canvas, 24 × 17 ⅞ inches.

Damien Hirst: Visual Candy

James Fox considers the origins of Damien Hirst’s Visual Candy paintings on the occasion of a recent exhibition of these early works in Hong Kong.